We also need microphone (and possibly webcam) support for most the project we would adopt for. Being a primalily a MS based company it would fit much better into our other developments but we are currently having to look to use Flash (which is driving me
nuts)
We have a telphony system that handles calls on the PSTN (normal phones/mobiles etc), VOIP (SIP /RTP) and Video (3G and SIP based) and have several clients that want to enable web access: such as click-to-call functions, or manage (inc recording) audio
for the platform via web based tools.
For us, having silverlight support at least microphones is a big plus. We are undergoing a million dollar software development project and the only piece that is flash is the microphone support.
I excuse in advance , but dudes are you joking with us!? Everyone here is hoping that Silverlight will close the WEB app to the maximum to the ordinary desktop app-s and to the oop.Simple support of MIC and WebCam (and sockets) will made silverlight perfect
choise for creating web based chat clients and clients that can connect for example to the existing Instant Messengers networks like Skype,Q,Ms Messenger , and so on and use all of their capability without need to install any one of them.For the moment the
primary things that silverligh can do is to render and that is all of you is commercing this capability.Creating animations , cool looking buttons ,and o yeah i`ve nearly forgot but it can play mp3 wma and wmv.Adobe is moving toward without a brake informing
users what will come you are doing something but you don`t want to inform the community what even you are working on!
My suggestion is to release one list of the things that you are about to include , release one list with the things that you have just started working on or you are thinking in the near future to start working on and finaly the most important thing create
one list with the things that the community is asking about and let them vote which is most important to be as soon as posible included.
Dark-BG is right, I have most of my projects on hold just because I want to use Silverlight in them when I dont even know if I can, just providing a list of what we can expect (if not when) would help us a lot and we will be able to asses if we should go
ahead with Silverlight now or wait longer or just use other solutions. I dont know if I can offord to wait any longer.
Regarding the community to vote what is important, I think most of us agree that are desparate for Data Binding and Contorls which they are already promised in SL 1.1B.
I really wish they would atleast give us a timeframe to when we can expect Beta just an approximate, I am tired of checking my feeds everyday for any news of SL 1.1B just to end up depressed that I have to wait atleast one more day. Come on guys you announced
SL 1.1 back in MIX'07 dont make us wait till MIX'08 which is right at the corner. Atleast SL 1.1 Beta 1 would do for now or just a list of what we can expect and when.
This sort of candid feedback is appreciated. I apologize the messaging and roadmap was so late coming. This morning Scott announced some more details on his blog:
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/11/29/net-web-product-roadmap-asp-net-silverlight-iis7.aspx. Hopefully this gives you a better picture of what's cooking in Silverlight. I should also add, like good food, good software takes time to prepare :)
But I promise you'll be very pleased with the results. Please do stay on.
Got all excited by your post Ashish..... but your wrong with your promise because all the good features are still worthless to us without mic/webcam support.
Also since weve since found the fact that Flash audio uses a Nellymoser codec that isnt easy to legally breakout from.... if MS had not only added mic support but a way to breakout from a backend server to other formats you would have got a huge jump on
Adobe.
This news has killed the hope we had for so many projects and our last hope is now on Adobes future plans.
Nice to hear that there will be extension of the UI Framework and the so needed controls that will make our life less complicated :P Another good news is finaly to hear that the sockets are on the roadmap with shure!But still there is no sign of future support
of mic and web cam which in combination with the sockets will be very nice for browser based IM apps.
I`ve got and one final question!Why MS dropped the 3D support!? Because SL is multiplatform and there is no DX on other platforms?!Why don`t put Open GL support?!Every machine on the planet support OpenGL no matter what OS is instaled!
Good Work after all i`m happy microsoft is finaly releasing something powerfull against Flash.And it is trying to bring real oop to the web world.
Just wondering if anyone has heard any more on mic/webcam support in Silverlight future versions?
With Flash still bound into Nellymoser*, and no sign that will change this in Flash10, the market is still ripe for MS to open up web based comms for a huge number of people that at the moment are tied into Flash-to-Flash products. If people could use Silverlight
(or Flash) to take audio (webcam) from a browser and break this out from a backend server there are a huge number of applications (basically linking to any other communication system: linking to traditional phone systems, mobiles, 3G mobiles, SIP clients,
Asterisk servers, IM clients etc....)
I did here an unconfirmed rumour that this was on some future roadmap but it would be nice to have some official confirmation and/or details as we have had similar with Flash for ages and continually disappointed.
Regards
Tim
*Nellymoser is the Flash audio codec and they continue to not make it available (apart from to a few for apparently huge licence fees)
I hate to me too this, but this feature definately got my vote. .NET programming model with access to audio/video == some pretty awesome possibilities. Then again, Silverlight is so full of win that they can afford to miss entire areas and still kick the crap
out of Flash.
I suppose the good thing is that MS is being pretty active in developing SL, so if things aren't in 2.0, a new version should be around the corner. I'd rather have a _solid_ 2.0 release with a smaller set of features, but all of them well done (SOAP faults,
Context Menus, dropdownlists, treeviews and some kind of windowing/navigation/tabthing come to mind).
I wonder, since SL can access the browser and expose objects and so on, is there any way to grab audio or video from an ActiveX control hosted on the same page? Nevermind that it'd be ugly and so on... just, would it be possible?
-Michael
*According to Wikipedia, Nellymoser codecs were also licensed by Microsoft for Xbox. Guess they got something going for them?
For an application I am porting, audio recording and playback is required.
The scenario might be different than those mentioned above because the data stays on the client. The application reads the data into memory, does some processing and then plays it back, all on the client machine. With this scenario, the application
needs access to the raw amplitude vs time data of the sound recording. It also needs to modify some of that data before playback.
There is audio playback of audio which the client reads from the server. This audio is not analyzed/modified.
DejaVudew
You might be able to mash up a Java applet with Silverlight using Javascript to accomplish what you're trying to do with the microphone. That might work as a stop-gap measure until (hopefully) something happens here.
I agree this is technically possible, but its been a real slowdown for me. I've spent two days trying to hook up existing java applets (which lack documentation) and building a custom ActiveX control. I'm mainly having trouble getting the javascript
to recognize the interfaces, moreso than implementing the audio functionality itself. Do you have examples for this?
TimWard
Member
12 Points
6 Posts
Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Oct 30, 2007 01:07 PM | LINK
We also need microphone (and possibly webcam) support for most the project we would adopt for. Being a primalily a MS based company it would fit much better into our other developments but we are currently having to look to use Flash (which is driving me nuts)
We have a telphony system that handles calls on the PSTN (normal phones/mobiles etc), VOIP (SIP /RTP) and Video (3G and SIP based) and have several clients that want to enable web access: such as click-to-call functions, or manage (inc recording) audio for the platform via web based tools.
So hoping MS add some support in a later Alpha.
Tim Ward, Senior Developer, C3 Ltd
ataylorm
Member
14 Points
13 Posts
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 19, 2007 04:25 PM | LINK
For us, having silverlight support at least microphones is a big plus. We are undergoing a million dollar software development project and the only piece that is flash is the microphone support.
DARK-BG
Member
28 Points
17 Posts
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 20, 2007 02:03 PM | LINK
I excuse in advance , but dudes are you joking with us!? Everyone here is hoping that Silverlight will close the WEB app to the maximum to the ordinary desktop app-s and to the oop.Simple support of MIC and WebCam (and sockets) will made silverlight perfect choise for creating web based chat clients and clients that can connect for example to the existing Instant Messengers networks like Skype,Q,Ms Messenger , and so on and use all of their capability without need to install any one of them.For the moment the primary things that silverligh can do is to render and that is all of you is commercing this capability.Creating animations , cool looking buttons ,and o yeah i`ve nearly forgot but it can play mp3 wma and wmv.Adobe is moving toward without a brake informing users what will come you are doing something but you don`t want to inform the community what even you are working on!
My suggestion is to release one list of the things that you are about to include , release one list with the things that you have just started working on or you are thinking in the near future to start working on and finaly the most important thing create one list with the things that the community is asking about and let them vote which is most important to be as soon as posible included.
Cass
Contributor
3157 Points
654 Posts
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 20, 2007 02:36 PM | LINK
Dark-BG is right, I have most of my projects on hold just because I want to use Silverlight in them when I dont even know if I can, just providing a list of what we can expect (if not when) would help us a lot and we will be able to asses if we should go ahead with Silverlight now or wait longer or just use other solutions. I dont know if I can offord to wait any longer.
Regarding the community to vote what is important, I think most of us agree that are desparate for Data Binding and Contorls which they are already promised in SL 1.1B.
I really wish they would atleast give us a timeframe to when we can expect Beta just an approximate, I am tired of checking my feeds everyday for any news of SL 1.1B just to end up depressed that I have to wait atleast one more day. Come on guys you announced SL 1.1 back in MIX'07 dont make us wait till MIX'08 which is right at the corner. Atleast SL 1.1 Beta 1 would do for now or just a list of what we can expect and when.
Imran Shaik - Vectorform
Old Blog | Silverlight 2.0 Quintessential Rambling |My Feed
nerddawg
Member
516 Points
123 Posts
Microsoft
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 29, 2007 08:26 PM | LINK
This sort of candid feedback is appreciated. I apologize the messaging and roadmap was so late coming. This morning Scott announced some more details on his blog: http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/11/29/net-web-product-roadmap-asp-net-silverlight-iis7.aspx. Hopefully this gives you a better picture of what's cooking in Silverlight. I should also add, like good food, good software takes time to prepare :) But I promise you'll be very pleased with the results. Please do stay on.
Cheers,
Blog: http://nerddawg.blogspot.com
TimWard
Member
12 Points
6 Posts
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 30, 2007 10:53 AM | LINK
Got all excited by your post Ashish..... but your wrong with your promise because all the good features are still worthless to us without mic/webcam support.
Also since weve since found the fact that Flash audio uses a Nellymoser codec that isnt easy to legally breakout from.... if MS had not only added mic support but a way to breakout from a backend server to other formats you would have got a huge jump on Adobe.
This news has killed the hope we had for so many projects and our last hope is now on Adobes future plans.
DARK-BG
Member
28 Points
17 Posts
Re: Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Nov 30, 2007 11:30 AM | LINK
Nice to hear that there will be extension of the UI Framework and the so needed controls that will make our life less complicated :P Another good news is finaly to hear that the sockets are on the roadmap with shure!But still there is no sign of future support of mic and web cam which in combination with the sockets will be very nice for browser based IM apps.
I`ve got and one final question!Why MS dropped the 3D support!? Because SL is multiplatform and there is no DX on other platforms?!Why don`t put Open GL support?!Every machine on the planet support OpenGL no matter what OS is instaled!
Good Work after all i`m happy microsoft is finaly releasing something powerfull against Flash.And it is trying to bring real oop to the web world.
TimWard
Member
12 Points
6 Posts
Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Mar 26, 2008 07:16 PM | LINK
Just wondering if anyone has heard any more on mic/webcam support in Silverlight future versions?
With Flash still bound into Nellymoser*, and no sign that will change this in Flash10, the market is still ripe for MS to open up web based comms for a huge number of people that at the moment are tied into Flash-to-Flash products. If people could use Silverlight (or Flash) to take audio (webcam) from a browser and break this out from a backend server there are a huge number of applications (basically linking to any other communication system: linking to traditional phone systems, mobiles, 3G mobiles, SIP clients, Asterisk servers, IM clients etc....)
I did here an unconfirmed rumour that this was on some future roadmap but it would be nice to have some official confirmation and/or details as we have had similar with Flash for ages and continually disappointed.
Regards
Tim
*Nellymoser is the Flash audio codec and they continue to not make it available (apart from to a few for apparently huge licence fees)
silverlight Flash webcam Streaming Microphone
MichaelGG
Member
86 Points
25 Posts
Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Mar 27, 2008 07:39 AM | LINK
I hate to me too this, but this feature definately got my vote. .NET programming model with access to audio/video == some pretty awesome possibilities. Then again, Silverlight is so full of win that they can afford to miss entire areas and still kick the crap out of Flash.
I suppose the good thing is that MS is being pretty active in developing SL, so if things aren't in 2.0, a new version should be around the corner. I'd rather have a _solid_ 2.0 release with a smaller set of features, but all of them well done (SOAP faults, Context Menus, dropdownlists, treeviews and some kind of windowing/navigation/tabthing come to mind).
I wonder, since SL can access the browser and expose objects and so on, is there any way to grab audio or video from an ActiveX control hosted on the same page? Nevermind that it'd be ugly and so on... just, would it be possible?
-Michael
*According to Wikipedia, Nellymoser codecs were also licensed by Microsoft for Xbox. Guess they got something going for them?
fschwiet
Member
2 Points
1 Post
Re: Microphone support in silverlight application?
Jul 12, 2008 12:26 AM | LINK
+1
For an application I am porting, audio recording and playback is required.
The scenario might be different than those mentioned above because the data stays on the client. The application reads the data into memory, does some processing and then plays it back, all on the client machine. With this scenario, the application needs access to the raw amplitude vs time data of the sound recording. It also needs to modify some of that data before playback.
There is audio playback of audio which the client reads from the server. This audio is not analyzed/modified.
I agree this is technically possible, but its been a real slowdown for me. I've spent two days trying to hook up existing java applets (which lack documentation) and building a custom ActiveX control. I'm mainly having trouble getting the javascript to recognize the interfaces, moreso than implementing the audio functionality itself. Do you have examples for this?