Programming with .NET - General

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

tanmoy.r — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:26:31 GMT

rsegecin:
I would like to not edit the g file when I'm inheriting from another base class.

You don't have to edit g.cs files while your usercontrol is inherited from another class. You need to change the root tag of your xaml file.

For example

namespace SilverlightApplication.Views
{
    public partial class SearchView : Window
    {
    }
}

 <fxui:Window x:Class="SilverlightApplication.Views.SearchView"
    xmlns:fxui="clr-namespace:SilverlightFX.UserInterface;assembly=SilverlightFX">
..........
</fxui:Window>

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

rsegecin — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:48:59 GMT

Rich text box embeded.

Native 3D support would be awesome.

Get better framerates than flash.

I would like to not edit the g file when I'm inheriting from another base class.

I couldn't resist to write a fourth. =D

Re: Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

Patrick8639 — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:46:45 GMT

Florina,

you can define one in XAML:

<Button>
  <Button.Content>
    <!-- Put here what you want in your button: StackPanel, Grid, ... -->
  </Button.Content>
</Button>

Button.Content is of type Object, so you can place any UI element in it.

Patric

Re: Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

FlorinaM — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:33:08 GMT

I wish, in this moment that Silvelright could have a button which supports both image and content, like an image button : <ImageButton Text="xcvxc" ImageUrl="/sdf/image.png" />

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

wguerram — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:52:59 GMT

Printing please, I am sure you could include it with a SP1 release, don't make us wait until next year for printing support.

http://silverlight.net/forums/t/516.aspx

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

wguerram — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:28:45 GMT

More LinQ Support, like joins, groups etc.. through service references to .NET Entity Model.

Correct the Associations problem that does not allow you make an association with a specific column and also correct the problem with the PK that in order to fix it, you need to remove the PK from the entity model in order to make an association.

Also allow multiple columns to be PK in the same table.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

daf555 — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:54 GMT

More than 2 million views, wow.

For version 4 of this great technique I wish a Rich Textbox Control. At least event handling support for the <Run> Tag is more than necessary. At the moment it's not even possible to add a href-like link inside of a textblock-text.

Cheers, Daniel.

www.danielvogt.info

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

reinux — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:34:15 GMT

First before this turns into a flame war I want to remind you that we're on the same side. I'm simply not as optimistic as you are. But since the original topic of this thread is no longer quite relevant, let's keep debating.

The long version of the story:

Yes, Silverlight is clearly better than Flash probably in nearly every respect. But there are tons and tons of high-profile products out there that are invariably better than what they were designed to compete against, and they never have and never will take much of their market share. Zune is an example, Xbox (not Xbox 360) is another. If you take into consideration other multi-billion dollar industries, for instance the auto industry, it simply doesn't hold true that the product with the most marketing and/or the best features necessarily wins out in the end.

Yes, quite obviously, there are cases where superior products and enormous financial backing do win the day -- .NET is clearly one of those examples. But if you want to bring up the browser wars, you can bring up Opera vs. Firefox: most people during the Firefox 2 days used Firefox mostly because "it's safer" and because "it's more standards compliant", but in both respects, Opera was superior, and if I remember correctly, Opera at the time had much more money to spend than Mozilla (Mozilla is in fact a corporation with an astroturf facade, by the way). Where's Opera now? They're sitting there crying sour grapes and suing Microsoft.

Sure, Xbox is big. But does your average gamer use their console to browse websites or run thin-client applications? No, they use their PCs for that. Most moderately technical users (which are the users that matter, because those are the ones that go around blogging and yapping the most) will notice if something uses Silverlight, either because it asks them to install it (and they keep hitting "no") or because they can right click on it.

Sure, SharePoint is fast growing. But that's only a monetary number; I'm a developer and I hardly know what SharePoint is. Does that make me uninformed? No, it just means that SharePoint is highly profitable per-customer. It's still not an ubiquitous market by any stretch.

The short version:

Tacking on niches does add up, but only one at a time. It's all linear growth. For every n dollars Microsoft spends on selling Silverlight, Silverlight gains n users market share. And keep in mind, these are all Microsoft's customers; only sometimes are they our customers as well. Wouldn't you much prefer if we could tell our customers and peers to use Silverlight?

For that to happen, we don't need for Silverlight to be installed everywhere, we need for Silverlight to be respected and trusted by developers the way Flash is. Then market growth will be exponential. Then we can convince our bosses to let us do things in Silverlight.

Think about it: the time it takes to install Silverlight is less than the time it takes to watch a YouTube video or the time it takes to refresh this particularly heavy forum thread. Why else then would anyone have any reason not to install Silverlight?

It doesn't matter how many clients have Silverlight installed if so few websites are using it. So, "not enough clients have it installed" is not a meaningful reason not to use it for your website.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

bartczernicki — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:47:49 GMT

You are very misinformed if you think those millions of users of those Microsoft services "don't matter". XBOX is the 2nd biggest gaming platform console..I wouldn't say the community is small. SharePoint is Microsoft's fastest product to reach 1 billion in revenue...I wouldn't say that is small and all those users at work that will get Silverlight as part of SharePoint 2010 and browse the web counts for a lot. Windows Mobile is not a big deal? (25+ million of licenses) have been sold (not counting this year) so far...it is a pretty big deal when they add Silverlight support. Windows 7?

I agree one or two are niches...once u start adding all of this up...its a little more than Silverlight being a niche player. Other than the 97% market penetration its not like Adobe's product is 10x better than Silverlight. Flash is on version 10 and Silverlight on version 3 and they are pretty much equal feature-wise. Flash has some things (printing) that Silvelight doesn't. Silverlight has some things too (multithreading) that Flash doesn't.

Microsoft is making a big push to put Silverlight as a UI on a lot of its services. Adobe has already played that card with their graphic suite/media server integration. Adobe just doesn't have the product horizontal and vertical to match it. To say its not a big deal is a joke...look what they did to Java with .NET? Netscape?

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

reinux — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:30:56 GMT

I made two points, one addressed to bartczernicki and one to ted7.

My point in reply to bart is that it won't be as easy for Silverlight to topple or take much share from Adobe as he (we) would like to think.

My point in reply to ted7 is that I doubt that the lack of adoption is any reason not to use it, because as I mentioned, 1. it's very easy to install, and 2. adoption rate just isn't a very meaningful number to begin with.

Additionally, my point in regards to having Silverlight in IE is, well, it would be somewhat convenient, but even if it doesn't cause any lawsuits, it's going to give people an excuse to call Silverlight unethical. Again. And that can't be good for adoption in the long run.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

DJanjicek — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:12:59 GMT

And your point is exactly what?

I would be happy with Microsoft shipping the SL runtime with IE in order to avoid unexpected situations...

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

reinux — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:05:38 GMT

There are mosquitos everywhere in the world; doesn't mean anyone has any use for them. The number of machines on which Silverlight is installed doesn't attest to anything, really. The installation procedure is quick and easy enough that I don't think it really affects its adoption in any meaningful way.

Silverlight on "XBox" "Windows Mobile" "SharePoint" -- keep in mind these are all Microsoft technologies and account for only a small portion of the market, and in particular niches. Adobe not having Flash on the iPhone isn't that big of a deal when you consider the fact that most everyone wants Flash on their phones, and a lot of non-iPhone phone owners across a myriad of hardware vendors do indeed have it.

Ultimately there just isn't enough demand for Silverlight regardless of how many machines it's installed on. Most people refuse to even look at anything web-related coming from Microsoft. The people who do look at it generally don't see why it's valuable. The people who do see why it's valuable often go into denial about the fact that it is. That leaves very few of us.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

bartczernicki — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:31:11 GMT

They mentioned in the keynote their goal is to have 50% of the machine use Silverlight in 6-9 months. By the end of the year growing from 30% (now) to 40-45% would not be out of the question. Adobe is a one trick pony here and simply does not have the services Microsoft has to offer. Silverlight on the XBOX. Silverlight on the cloud. Silverlight on Windows Mobile. Silverlight in SharePoint. Adobe has to rely on partners to provide additional services....and you can see how great that goes when they tried to get Flash on the iPhone.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

wguerram — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:06:32 GMT

RS232 Serial communication, usb communication and paralel port communication support.

Re: Silverlight 3 Wish List

piratepops — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:48:59 GMT

They used to say the same thing about Flash - now nearly everyone has it installed. Eventually MS will put it into an automatic update, so it won't be an issue anyway. This may not be the case with your son, but so far it's been my experience among my co-workers that those who claim that Silverlight isn't widespread enough to target are those who don't want to take the time to learn the technology.